But there was no victory for Kylo Ren as he sank into the abyss.

Instead, he was humiliated.

By a scavenger girl, of all things.

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Hes definitely been knocked off base, saysThe Last Jediwriter-director Rian Johnson says.

How has he dealt with that in his head?

Where is he at in terms of that act and what does that mean for him?

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Johnson said Ben Solos shift to darkness is symbolic of the treacherous road through adolescence thatStar Warsoften explores.

Kylo represents kind of the rebellious anger that you feel during that period.

But he obviously does it in an extreme thats not healthy at all.

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He said Kylo and Rey are two halves of the dark and the light.

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Kylo Rens murder of Han Solo also makes Reys contempt for him much more personal.

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Hes no longer just a random madman terrorizing the galaxy.

Rey has a grudge: He stole from her the father-figure shed been searching for her whole life.

She just doesnt understand Kylo, Daisy Ridley says.

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When all she wanted was parents, why would a person whohasparents do that?

Its so beyond comprehension, its ridiculous.

So she has grief for the loss and then theres anger.

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To be honest, she couldnt understand doing something like that let alone to your parents.

Although his character is no more, Han Solos legacy lives on.

Han, the ghost of well, not literally, Johnson says, interrupting himself with a laugh.

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I dont want to misguide.

I have to be very careful with my words here.

But afigurativeghost of Han had to be present throughout this entire film.

Gwendoline Christies merciless First Order officer Captain Phasma has a more significant role inThe Last Jedi.

That character is just so damn cool looking.

Like, okay, lets see what we can do with her.

Lets put her in action and see what happens.

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(The first issue hits Sept. Johnson says things will be okay for him.

Chewies doing all right.

It was obviously a big loss for him, but, you know, hes Chewie.

Hes resilient, Johnson says.

Hes got broad Wookiee shoulders, and he also has a new mission.

Hes got Rey, and shes someone that Han, to a certain extent, handed the keys to.

So I think that that helps.

It could be worse.

Also, hes got some new friends.

Or judging by the feather in his mouth here … are they snacks?

Im just happy I got to work with her.

Johnson says even he learned something.

This was my first time working with mo-cap characters and working with actors in that way, he says.

I feel like I got such an incredible education watching Lupita work.

That does it for EWs The Last Jedi coverage.

Heres the full list of our stories from this week.

Part 1:Can Rey save Luke Skywalker from his own darkness?