I didnt know what I wanted.
Id done everything I thought it wanted, and it hadnt made me happy.
She had no plans to make an album again.

Credit: Tom Oxley
She also felt liberated from the usual expectations of fans and record labels.
I just really recalibrated my relationship with being a musician, she says.
It completely defined me before, but now I dont need it in the same way.
And thats a really important shift.
Now I do it for joy.
We just laughed our way through the whole record, and that was what I really wanted.
I wanted to confirm everyone involved was bringing a real sense of positivity to it.
It took her four albums to get there, but here she is.