I didnt know what I wanted.

Id done everything I thought it wanted, and it hadnt made me happy.

She had no plans to make an album again.

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She also felt liberated from the usual expectations of fans and record labels.

I just really recalibrated my relationship with being a musician, she says.

It completely defined me before, but now I dont need it in the same way.

And thats a really important shift.

Now I do it for joy.

We just laughed our way through the whole record, and that was what I really wanted.

I wanted to confirm everyone involved was bringing a real sense of positivity to it.

It took her four albums to get there, but here she is.