That element of empathy is so important today.

Why did you tell the story that way?

She was always trying to make it better.

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… Theres always hope.

I really tried hard to be inside the characters as opposed to sort of watching from the distance.

Like Rita, youre also a mother.

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Did you connect more with this performance or your style of directing because of that?

Whats different about these two is their relationship is unconventional; theyre each the only person the other has.

Theyre survivors, theyre sisters sometimes; Ruthie is the mom and Ritas the girl, and vice versa.

Its a little bitThelma & Louise, but its alsoPaper Moon.

Stefania arrived about a week before we started shooting, and I knew we had to pull it off.

Depicting real relationships between women is so important; its also vital to see more women directing movies.

I love directing, and I want to do more of it.

I like directing actors.

I want to give those experiences to actors as well.

Tell me about how you, as a director, cast this movie.

I wanted to concentrate on the essence of Pam and not the fact that shes transgender; shehappensto be.

It was important to me to be able to get inside that character, andthenwe watch her journey.

I needed that sparkle because Pam is the heart of the diner; people enjoy being around her.

Shes a human being who attracts people.

Why are those things, in particular, so important to you right now?

People need to be heard, so I hope that this film speaks to those people.